Post by Sar on Mar 9, 2012 20:50:52 GMT -5
Note: The entire conversation could not be posted because one of the parties decided to delete them in order to save face. This entire thing was about KONY2012. Jared's opinion: We should help ourselves before others. In short Dime asked him to explain why, Jared could not and then got "snarky" with Dime,
I could not comment for I am bias so I'm wondering, how do you all feel?
Well Jared, the ignorant pig head he is, decided to block me. he repeatedly tried to delete this post. A response to his attempted debate with me:
"However, it would seem as though you need to DISAGREE with everyone or have everyone think your way in order for you to feel good about yourself."
Not so. In fact, if you bothered to read, you'd know I agreed with Josh at the point which he stopped p...osting.
"If you'll note, I never insulted you until you declared the structure of my argument "empty""
...because it was. Don't like me pointing ou the problems with your posts? Don't make them.
"effectively inferring that I am horrible at debate."
Well, that wasn't what I was getting at. Though considering now that you've proven you do not know how fallacies function or how the structure of an argument matters, I suppose I would question your ability to debate.
"I'm pretty sure that's a personal attack, before any of mine."
Nope. It was pointing out the problem with your argument.
".. I responded to snarkiness with.. snarkiness.. Sound familiar? "
Yep.
Don't make snarky remarks and neither will I. I've said this several times before, but I only respond. I do not instigate.
"As far as the logical fallacy you've displayed.
"Argument from fallacy – assumes that if an argument for some conclusion is fallacious, then the conclusion itself is false."
There you go. You were completely wrong."
How so? I've done nothing of the sort. Again, I've never said your stance was verifiably wrong, and I never stated my stance was verifiably right. You, once again, display an incredible ignorance of how a fallacy functions.
"And on a side note, I really am done now. My autopatch finished. Anything you say beyond this point will probably just be.. deleted. Cause you don't hold power here. "
A display of ignorance to be sure. Run away, run away.
After which, the following conversation took place:
Jared Wallace
You know you are just.. Really annoying.
XD
21 minutes agoDimentio Divo
You know I stopped posting awhile ago, and now all you are doing is trying to instigate things.
21 minutes agoJared Wallace
Naw.
You didn't stop things. XD
21 minutes agoDimentio Divo
And if you feel I'm annoying...well, oh well.
21 minutes agoJared Wallace
I stopped things by not responding.
21 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Congratulations.
I bet you feel so proud.
21 minutes agoJared Wallace
Naw.
20 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Your ignorance and inability to deal with criticism is quite astounding, I must say.
20 minutes agoJared Wallace
I'm dealing with it.
Totally.
XD
20 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Running away =/= Dealing.
19 minutes agoJared Wallace
Being the bigger man and better person is not running away.
Boy, are you really gonna make me block you?
19 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yes, because leaving an insult, and then saying you'll delete all responses is "being the bigger man"
That's entirely up to you.
If you wish to stoop to that level of ignorance...well, it's a reflection on you, not myself.
I'm not making posts for you anyway. I'm making posts for everyone who would read the post.
18 minutes agoJared Wallace
If you're not making posts for me then why is it on my thread?
On my wall?
Post it on your wall. I don't give a fuck.
18 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Because it is relevant to your post.
17 minutes agoJared Wallace
Stop spamming up my thread.
No, it really isn't.
It's relevant to what you think of me.
17 minutes agoDimentio Divo
If you find't give a fuck, you wouldn't be here, now, talking with me, deleting my posts, would you?
17 minutes agoJared Wallace
I don't give a fuck if you say these things on your own wall about me.
17 minutes agoDimentio Divo
It's a long response to your posts about me. Hence it is relevant to your post.
17 minutes agoJared Wallace
When you're running around trying to enforce your opinion on other people about me on MY wall...
That's a different story.
17 minutes agoDimentio Divo
If you don't like someone responing to you on your post, don't give them reason to.
I'm not enforcing any opinino on your wall.
16 minutes agoJared Wallace
No no no no.
You are not some enforcer of justice.
16 minutes agoDimentio Divo
How you continue to believe that is astounding.
I am.
16 minutes agoJared Wallace
... XD
16 minutes agoDimentio Divo
*shrugs*
16 minutes agoJared Wallace
oh god
that's just rich
16 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I try and do what's right.
Anyone who tries to "do the right thing" is an "enforcer of justice"
You can laugh at that all you wish.
It's merely a reflection on you.
14 minutes agoJared Wallace
My laughing is a reflection on my sanity and realism.
14 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Sanity and realism? Hardly.
"Justice" is nothing more than the enforcement of what someone thinks is "right".
When someone does what they think is "right", they are a "defender of justice" as you put it.
13 minutes agoJared Wallace
because you think you are right and are unwilling to see it from anyone else's point of view
13 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Again, hardly.
Once again, I point out I agreed with Josh.
13 minutes agoJared Wallace
you didn't have to see it from his point of view
12 minutes agoDimentio Divo
So what it boils down to is you don't like it that I don't agree with YOU.
12 minutes agoJared Wallace
you simply had to say "yes, hiring 3p is pretty good or so I hurderp"
Nononono.
12 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yesyesyes.
12 minutes agoJared Wallace
You don't agree with anyone that CONFLICTS with your beliefs for a second.
12 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Again, not at all.
12 minutes agoJared Wallace
There MUST be someone for you to beat with debate, someone for you to overcome because you are the hero of your own story!
11 minutes agoDimentio Divo
My defense of my stance is in no way my shutting out all other opinions. In fact, I've had my stance changed a number of times.
Further more, you think I debate to win? You think I care about what other people think?
Laughable.
11 minutes agoJared Wallace
I know you do.
Otherwise, what was the point in questioning my post in the first place?
10 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I "know" I do. XD
To learn.
To search truth.
10 minutes agoJared Wallace
Bulllllllllshit.
Just saying
XD
10 minutes agoDimentio Divo
*shrgs*
you asked.
10 minutes agoJared Wallace
you strike debate to win
10 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I told you.
Your response is nothing more than willful ignornce.
10 minutes agoJared Wallace
oh
yes
unveil the truth to me o' enforcer of justice
save me from the darkness of ignorance I have blinded myself with
9 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I already told you.
To seek truth.
There is always the possibility I am incorrect.
Debate allows me to learn where I am in the right and where I am fallacious.
7 minutes agoJared Wallace
Did you ever think that perhaps such a debate is unwelcome?
That I simply don't care what you think?
that I didn't really want a debate, I only wanted to muse a small thought over?
and share it with like minded people so that perhaps it could fester into something for other people?
that's why people share their thoughts
it isn't to discover truth
it's to inspire it where it truly is
6 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Then don't respond.
Simple as that.
6 minutes agoJared Wallace
That discredits my thought.
5 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Again, any responses directed to you by myself are only in response to things you say.
If you don't like it...don't post.
5 minutes agoJared Wallace
No, Matt.
That isn't how it works.
5 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yes Jared.
5 minutes agoJared Wallace
Facebook is not your social playground.
5 minutes agoDimentio Divo
That;'s how it works.
Nor is it yours.
5 minutes agoJared Wallace
Me and my thoughts are not subject to your debate and whims of experimentation at any time.
4 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Considering I can post...yes, they are.
4 minutes agoJared Wallace
If I don't like it, I can block you.
I can still post.
4 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yes, you can.
But that would make you the "close-minded" individual in this case, now wouldn't it?
4 minutes agoJared Wallace
No
that would make me sensical
4 minutes agoDimentio Divo
But of course, I suppose in running away, you take that as a victory.
Block all those who dare challenge your view!
Totally not ignorance!
3 minutes agoJared Wallace
No, Matt. Because that's not what I'm doing. I'm not here to defend my view, and I don't wish for it to be challenged. I simply wish for it be as it is and if that thought can inspire intelligence in another, let it be there.
I honestly could care less whether I am right or wrong.
It isn't about my view, it's about the effect it can have on others.
2 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Back up there.
2 minutes agoJared Wallace
No.
This is simply agitating.
I tried to respond to his "I don't care if I'm right or wrong I just want to make people FEEL" comment (does he realize that if he holds a fundamentally flawed view, it can only bring about a negative outcome?), when he blocked me. He also claims I'm close-minded (a claim those who know me know is completely false in every regard).
Oh well. No real loss. He was an asshole who used people and hurt innocent people I care deeply about. I merely sad that the people who were relevant to the discussion that happened now probably won't know the truth, as he will delete posts in an attempt to hide what happened, and preserve his fragile pride.
So I've made this post. You've seen the evidence. Unlike him, I do not like to skew stories and posts to try and fit it into a warped little perception of reality. I profess and seek truth. Judge our characters for yourselves. You know my stance.
Furthermore, I would hope, unlike under Jared's shadow, individuals here would feel safe in professing support for him or criticism against myself, without fear of me blocking them or shunning their views. While I may disagree, again, I am certainly not the type to stifle conversation and become willfully ignorant of reality.
"However, it would seem as though you need to DISAGREE with everyone or have everyone think your way in order for you to feel good about yourself."
Not so. In fact, if you bothered to read, you'd know I agreed with Josh at the point which he stopped p...osting.
"If you'll note, I never insulted you until you declared the structure of my argument "empty""
...because it was. Don't like me pointing ou the problems with your posts? Don't make them.
"effectively inferring that I am horrible at debate."
Well, that wasn't what I was getting at. Though considering now that you've proven you do not know how fallacies function or how the structure of an argument matters, I suppose I would question your ability to debate.
"I'm pretty sure that's a personal attack, before any of mine."
Nope. It was pointing out the problem with your argument.
".. I responded to snarkiness with.. snarkiness.. Sound familiar? "
Yep.
Don't make snarky remarks and neither will I. I've said this several times before, but I only respond. I do not instigate.
"As far as the logical fallacy you've displayed.
"Argument from fallacy – assumes that if an argument for some conclusion is fallacious, then the conclusion itself is false."
There you go. You were completely wrong."
How so? I've done nothing of the sort. Again, I've never said your stance was verifiably wrong, and I never stated my stance was verifiably right. You, once again, display an incredible ignorance of how a fallacy functions.
"And on a side note, I really am done now. My autopatch finished. Anything you say beyond this point will probably just be.. deleted. Cause you don't hold power here. "
A display of ignorance to be sure. Run away, run away.
After which, the following conversation took place:
Jared Wallace
You know you are just.. Really annoying.
XD
21 minutes agoDimentio Divo
You know I stopped posting awhile ago, and now all you are doing is trying to instigate things.
21 minutes agoJared Wallace
Naw.
You didn't stop things. XD
21 minutes agoDimentio Divo
And if you feel I'm annoying...well, oh well.
21 minutes agoJared Wallace
I stopped things by not responding.
21 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Congratulations.
I bet you feel so proud.
21 minutes agoJared Wallace
Naw.
20 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Your ignorance and inability to deal with criticism is quite astounding, I must say.
20 minutes agoJared Wallace
I'm dealing with it.
Totally.
XD
20 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Running away =/= Dealing.
19 minutes agoJared Wallace
Being the bigger man and better person is not running away.
Boy, are you really gonna make me block you?
19 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yes, because leaving an insult, and then saying you'll delete all responses is "being the bigger man"
That's entirely up to you.
If you wish to stoop to that level of ignorance...well, it's a reflection on you, not myself.
I'm not making posts for you anyway. I'm making posts for everyone who would read the post.
18 minutes agoJared Wallace
If you're not making posts for me then why is it on my thread?
On my wall?
Post it on your wall. I don't give a fuck.
18 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Because it is relevant to your post.
17 minutes agoJared Wallace
Stop spamming up my thread.
No, it really isn't.
It's relevant to what you think of me.
17 minutes agoDimentio Divo
If you find't give a fuck, you wouldn't be here, now, talking with me, deleting my posts, would you?
17 minutes agoJared Wallace
I don't give a fuck if you say these things on your own wall about me.
17 minutes agoDimentio Divo
It's a long response to your posts about me. Hence it is relevant to your post.
17 minutes agoJared Wallace
When you're running around trying to enforce your opinion on other people about me on MY wall...
That's a different story.
17 minutes agoDimentio Divo
If you don't like someone responing to you on your post, don't give them reason to.
I'm not enforcing any opinino on your wall.
16 minutes agoJared Wallace
No no no no.
You are not some enforcer of justice.
16 minutes agoDimentio Divo
How you continue to believe that is astounding.
I am.
16 minutes agoJared Wallace
... XD
16 minutes agoDimentio Divo
*shrugs*
16 minutes agoJared Wallace
oh god
that's just rich
16 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I try and do what's right.
Anyone who tries to "do the right thing" is an "enforcer of justice"
You can laugh at that all you wish.
It's merely a reflection on you.
14 minutes agoJared Wallace
My laughing is a reflection on my sanity and realism.
14 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Sanity and realism? Hardly.
"Justice" is nothing more than the enforcement of what someone thinks is "right".
When someone does what they think is "right", they are a "defender of justice" as you put it.
13 minutes agoJared Wallace
because you think you are right and are unwilling to see it from anyone else's point of view
13 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Again, hardly.
Once again, I point out I agreed with Josh.
13 minutes agoJared Wallace
you didn't have to see it from his point of view
12 minutes agoDimentio Divo
So what it boils down to is you don't like it that I don't agree with YOU.
12 minutes agoJared Wallace
you simply had to say "yes, hiring 3p is pretty good or so I hurderp"
Nononono.
12 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yesyesyes.
12 minutes agoJared Wallace
You don't agree with anyone that CONFLICTS with your beliefs for a second.
12 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Again, not at all.
12 minutes agoJared Wallace
There MUST be someone for you to beat with debate, someone for you to overcome because you are the hero of your own story!
11 minutes agoDimentio Divo
My defense of my stance is in no way my shutting out all other opinions. In fact, I've had my stance changed a number of times.
Further more, you think I debate to win? You think I care about what other people think?
Laughable.
11 minutes agoJared Wallace
I know you do.
Otherwise, what was the point in questioning my post in the first place?
10 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I "know" I do. XD
To learn.
To search truth.
10 minutes agoJared Wallace
Bulllllllllshit.
Just saying
XD
10 minutes agoDimentio Divo
*shrgs*
you asked.
10 minutes agoJared Wallace
you strike debate to win
10 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I told you.
Your response is nothing more than willful ignornce.
10 minutes agoJared Wallace
oh
yes
unveil the truth to me o' enforcer of justice
save me from the darkness of ignorance I have blinded myself with
9 minutes agoDimentio Divo
I already told you.
To seek truth.
There is always the possibility I am incorrect.
Debate allows me to learn where I am in the right and where I am fallacious.
7 minutes agoJared Wallace
Did you ever think that perhaps such a debate is unwelcome?
That I simply don't care what you think?
that I didn't really want a debate, I only wanted to muse a small thought over?
and share it with like minded people so that perhaps it could fester into something for other people?
that's why people share their thoughts
it isn't to discover truth
it's to inspire it where it truly is
6 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Then don't respond.
Simple as that.
6 minutes agoJared Wallace
That discredits my thought.
5 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Again, any responses directed to you by myself are only in response to things you say.
If you don't like it...don't post.
5 minutes agoJared Wallace
No, Matt.
That isn't how it works.
5 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yes Jared.
5 minutes agoJared Wallace
Facebook is not your social playground.
5 minutes agoDimentio Divo
That;'s how it works.
Nor is it yours.
5 minutes agoJared Wallace
Me and my thoughts are not subject to your debate and whims of experimentation at any time.
4 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Considering I can post...yes, they are.
4 minutes agoJared Wallace
If I don't like it, I can block you.
I can still post.
4 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Yes, you can.
But that would make you the "close-minded" individual in this case, now wouldn't it?
4 minutes agoJared Wallace
No
that would make me sensical
4 minutes agoDimentio Divo
But of course, I suppose in running away, you take that as a victory.
Block all those who dare challenge your view!
Totally not ignorance!
3 minutes agoJared Wallace
No, Matt. Because that's not what I'm doing. I'm not here to defend my view, and I don't wish for it to be challenged. I simply wish for it be as it is and if that thought can inspire intelligence in another, let it be there.
I honestly could care less whether I am right or wrong.
It isn't about my view, it's about the effect it can have on others.
2 minutes agoDimentio Divo
Back up there.
2 minutes agoJared Wallace
No.
This is simply agitating.
I tried to respond to his "I don't care if I'm right or wrong I just want to make people FEEL" comment (does he realize that if he holds a fundamentally flawed view, it can only bring about a negative outcome?), when he blocked me. He also claims I'm close-minded (a claim those who know me know is completely false in every regard).
Oh well. No real loss. He was an asshole who used people and hurt innocent people I care deeply about. I merely sad that the people who were relevant to the discussion that happened now probably won't know the truth, as he will delete posts in an attempt to hide what happened, and preserve his fragile pride.
So I've made this post. You've seen the evidence. Unlike him, I do not like to skew stories and posts to try and fit it into a warped little perception of reality. I profess and seek truth. Judge our characters for yourselves. You know my stance.
Furthermore, I would hope, unlike under Jared's shadow, individuals here would feel safe in professing support for him or criticism against myself, without fear of me blocking them or shunning their views. While I may disagree, again, I am certainly not the type to stifle conversation and become willfully ignorant of reality.
I could not comment for I am bias so I'm wondering, how do you all feel?